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The Debate

I have only seen clips.

Trump's deficiencies are very evident, Hillary's not so much.

God knows. After the omnishambles that is currently British politics, I am astonished at those who deride the choices of the American public... As though rationality and commonsense are bywords in or around Westminster.

In other thoughts, my latest article is finished, and stronger,to my mind, than my first pass at it. We shall see.

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semyaza
Sep. 29th, 2016 01:12 am (UTC)
There are no choices in American politics except ones that don't count for anything. That these are the best candidates they could come up with says it all. How anyone, in good conscience, could vote for either of them is beyond me. I don't say that on my journal out of respect for my friends (who, for the most part, are making the best of a bad job). I wish I could say that it's not my problem but it's everyone's problem.
smokingboot
Sep. 29th, 2016 05:45 am (UTC)
I do not understand why Sanders was a no-go. Clinton is interesting, because she has this reputation of being dishonest and the impression given long ago was that she was part of the Clinton deal, when one voted for her husband. in 'Bitch: In Praise of Difficult Women,' Elizabeth Wurtzel writes about this idea of Hillary seeming like a back door power binger, getting involved when she hadn't earned the votes or the trust.

Conscience, well,it has departed with such vehemence from British public life, how can we deride anyone else? These are not necessarily excellent candidates, but you have seen the options with which GB has presented itself. I am beginning to believe that the people really do get the government they deserve.

semyaza
Sep. 29th, 2016 06:12 am (UTC)
The candidates are the end result of a long process which citizens were seemingly unaware of until they woke up one day and asked 'how did we get here?'

Conscience has departed from public life - if it was ever there to begin with - but that doesn't excuse individual citizens. I'm not about to point a finger at anyone because in the past I've voted for the least unbearable candidate. I won't do it any more.

As for Bernie, well - you could say that he was too progressive to be a plausible candidate in the US or you could say that he had some unworkable ideas.

smokingboot
Sep. 29th, 2016 08:10 am (UTC)
I have no idea how to use my vote in future.
The only answer seems to be tactical in nature; the least worst. At the moment, for all my misgivings, it appears to be Corbyn, but I do have misgivings about him. Though I have never voted Tory, I would not discount them on that basis - I would try to consider their manifesto. But whether or not they were always unlovely, they are currently becoming such caricatures of themselves as even they begin to fear. I believe many Brits will carry on voting me myself I until they see corpses on the street, and even then they may learn nothing until the corpses bear their surname. Because they are tired of experts, you see, and they don't like facts.

I have had enough of trying to persuade people not to give into their devils. All I can do is try to keep the rot out of my house, or leave. The latter appeals to me emotionally (I'd go to Canada or Oz in a shot) but practically things aren't quite that easy.
semyaza
Sep. 29th, 2016 09:33 am (UTC)
You've been a voter for a long time, as have I. Have you ever felt satisfied when your candidate won? I don't mean right after the election but a few years down the road? I haven't. I've voted every which way (except for the UK Tories) but never felt that it made much difference. The world I want isn't a world that the Deep State will allow us to have.

Canada will be getting a new electoral system in the next few years. We don't quite have the horrid binary that the US is stuck in but more diversity in politics would be welcome. I don't know if that's possible but it would be nice if we could at least try. The Greens are in a mess right now so I don't know how viable they are.
smokingboot
Sep. 29th, 2016 11:28 pm (UTC)
Not really. I voted for Blair, who seemed like a breath of fresh air in all that fusty nonsense; I watched him from his time on the back bench and knew there was something special about that man.Well, the years taught me better...

I did feel that nominally at least the principles of a kindly society were being flagged up,after so many terms of Thatcherism and post-Thatcherism. But the legacy was tainted by his involvement in Iraq, and taking revenge on the country by giving them Gordon was a bit hmm. He was never going to win an election!

The diversity we are likely to get is an ongoing move to the right, with UKip and the nutters getting stronger. Corbyn has taken the far left, and I suspect the Greens will get behind him. Centre ground would be worth fighting for, except the right wing press have successfully made feeding poor people sound like radical socialism. The Lib Dems should go for it, but is Tim Farron the man? I am not sure...

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